[Cedar60] Military losses 1980-2006 - an interesting perspective

Wed Apr 30 00:40:08 EDT 2008

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Our nation and the politics that were developed were in large part
influenced by our brother masons.  Why is it now that we do not believe that
it is proper to talk politics?  I for one like to hear both sides of the
field to see who has the best ideas.  When people are to afraid to talk
politics then they become an obstacle to the future of our nation.
Politicians are like used car dealers, just because you were lucky to buy a
good car from them once does not mean they should have your loyalty for the
rest of your life.  You should want to make sure that you are getting the
best value for your dollar or in politics, for your vote.  Good open
discussion about the moral and social values that a candidate brings to the
table can be healthy and possibly aid in electing the best person for the
position.  I served in the military under each of the listed presidents and
followed my orders.  In the military it was not right to talk bad of your
commander.  Now that I am not under
 their command, I like to have open discussions and hear others view points,
not just those of the media.

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Military Losses, 1980 thru 2006

Whatever your politics, however you lean, however you feel about the 
current
administration, this report should open some eyes.

Military losses, 1980 through 2006 
(http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf 
)

As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider
the following statistics:

The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the 
armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

1980 .......... 2,392 (Carter Year)
1981 .......... 2,380 (Reagan Year)
1984 .......... 1,999 (Reagan Year)
1988 .......... 1,819 (Reagan Year)
1989 .......... 1,636 (George H W Year)
1990 .......... 1,508 (George H W Year)

1991 .......... 1,787 (George H W Year)
1992 ........ 1,293 (George H W Year)
1993 .......... 1,213 ( Clinton Year)
1994 ........ 1,075 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 2,465 ( Clinton Year)
1996 ......... . 2,318 ( Clinton Year)
1997 ............. 817 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 2,252 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 1,984 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ..........1,983 ( Clinton Year)
2001 ........... 890(George W Year)
2002 .......... 1,007 (George W Year)
2003 ........ 1,410 (George W Year)
2004 .......... 1,887 (George W Year)
2005 ............. 919 (George W Year)
2006.............. 920 (George W Year)
2007............899 (George W Year)

Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,000 deaths
George W years (2001-2006): 7,932 deaths

If you are surprised when you look at these figures, so was I. These 
figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the Middle 
East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Bill Clinton's 
presidency; when America wasn't even involved in a war!

It surprised me too, so I went on line to find out what military actions 
we were in during Clinton ¢s presidency. Here is a web site I found 
that lists out those conflicts. (not war)
_
___http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_actions_by_or_within_the_Un
ited_States#1991-1999 

And, I was even more shocked when I read that in 1980, during the reign of
President (Nobel Peace Prize winner) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392
US military fatalities! I think that these figures indicate that many 
members of our Media and our Politicians will pick and choose the 
information on which they report. Of course we all know that they 
present only those 'facts' which support their agenda-driven reporting. 
But why do so many of them march in lock-step to
twist the truth? Where do so man y of them get their marching-orders for
their agenda? Obviously there is one shared agenda, and I believe it is
clear it comes from the most powerful Democratic family of the decade.

Do you want further proof? Consider the latest census, of Americans. It
shows the following FACTS about the distribution of American citizens, by
Race:
European descent ..........................69.12%
Hispanic ......................................... 12.5%
Black ..............................................12.3%
Asian ............................................... 3.7%
Native American ..............................1.0%
Other ..............................................2.6%

Now... here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years in 
Iraqi Freedom:
European descent (white) .............74.31%
Hispanic ..................................... 10.74%
Black ... ....................................... 9.67%
Asian ........................................... 1.81%
Native American ........................... 1.09%
Other ............................................ 0.33%

I was surprised again. . .until it became clear to me that the point 
here is
that our mainstream media continues to spin these figures (for political
gain). Nothing more.

It's all about politics and some politicians, are now famous for turning
American against American for a vote. (Consider Slick Willy and his 
comments
just recently made about South Carolina , Jesse Jackson, and the 'blacks'
voting for the 'black' candidates); or Hillary's stump speech after her 
Super
Tuesday 'victory' stating that the current administration does not 'listen'
to anyone and continues the war costing precious American lives. Yes, I
might even agree with her, but she should be made to acknowledge her own
husband's administration, without having an actual war, sent more 
soldiers to
death during his regime-while also forcing the military to release Osama 
when
we actually had him detained.

I hope that during the time between now and November, that intelligent
Americans can decipher the facts from the spin and the spinners from the
leaders; those who seek even more power from those that seek justice, the
dividers from the uniters.

Over the next months let's be good listeners (yes, Hillary we are 
listening)
and see and hear who tries to divide our nation; and who wants to unite our
nation. Who wants to control how our money is spent and who wants our money
spent the way we would spend it. Who seeks power and who seeks justice?
Who spins the facts and who is genuine.

(These statistics are published by Congressional Research Service, and they
may be confirmed by anyone at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/ 
RL32492.pdf)

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