[Cedar60] Military losses 1980-2006 - an interesting perspective

Wed Apr 30 08:26:34 EDT 2008

One e-mail hardly qualifies as a political blog, and as stated in the past if you have a problem with it there is a distinct and obvious difference in "Reply" and "Reply to Everyone" if you have/had a problem with a message take it up with the person that sent it and quit airing your vendetta in public. 

I for one have grown weary of having my inbox filled up with this e-mail tripe, the original message was fine with me but I also don't posses the delicate sensibilities of a female.   How many times does a Brother have to apologize for this, I was thinking once was good enough,  obviously some feel as if repeated and gratuitous apologies are needed and warranted.

Eric, thank you for dedicating the time and effort to maintain the e-mail list and the Cedar 60 website.

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> Please remove me from the Cedar Lodge #60 mailing list. It has become 
> obvious to me that this board has become a political blogfr some. 
> Don Harrison 
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> Our nation and the politics that were developed were in large part 
> influenced by our brother masons. Why is it now that we do not believe that 
> it is proper to talk politics? I for one like to hear both sides of the 
> field to see who has the best ideas. When people are to afraid to talk 
> politics then they become an obstacle to the future of our nation. 
> Politicians are like used car dealers, just because you were lucky to buy a 
> good car from them once does not mean they should have your loyalty for the 
> rest of your life. You should want to make sure that you are getting the 
> best value for your dollar or in politics, for your vote. Good open 
> discussion about the moral and social values that a candidate brings to the 
> table can be healthy and possibly aid in electing the best person for the 
> position. I served in the military under each of the listed presidents and 
> followed my orders. In the military it was not right to talk bad of your 
> commander. Now that I am not under 
> their command, I like to have open discussions and hear others view points, 
> not just those of the media. 
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> I for one am not offended by any truth... good or bad or in between. 
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> In a message dated 4/23/2008 10:21:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> cedar60 at masoniclodges.mi.org writes: 
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> Subject: [Cedar60] Military losses 1980-2006 - an intersting perspective 
> 
> Military Losses, 1980 thru 2006 
> 
> 
> 
> Whatever your politics, however you lean, however you feel about the 
> current 
> administration, this report should open some eyes. 
> 
> Military losses, 1980 through 2006 
> (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf 
> ) 
> 
> As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider 
> the following statistics: 
> 
> The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the 
> armed forces from 1980 through 2006: 
> 
> 1980 .......... 2,392 (Carter Year) 
> 1981 .......... 2,380 (Reagan Year) 
> 1984 .......... 1,999 (Reagan Year) 
> 1988 .......... 1,819 (Reagan Year) 
> 1989 .......... 1,636 (George H W Year) 
> 1990 .......... 1,508 (George H W Year) 
> 
> 1991 .......... 1,787 (George H W Year) 
> 1992 ........ 1,293 (George H W Year) 
> 1993 .......... 1,213 ( Clinton Year) 
> 1994 ........ 1,075 ( Clinton Year) 
> 1995 .......... 2,465 ( Clinton Year) 
> 1996 ......... . 2,318 ( Clinton Year) 
> 1997 ............. 817 ( Clinton Year) 
> 1998 .......... 2,252 ( Clinton Year) 
> 1999 .......... 1,984 ( Clinton Year) 
> 2000 ..........1,983 ( Clinton Year) 
> 2001 ........... 890(George W Year) 
> 2002 .......... 1,007 (George W Year) 
> 2003 ........ 1,410 (George W Year) 
> 2004 .......... 1,887 (George W Year) 
> 2005 ............. 919 (George W Year) 
> 2006.............. 920 (George W Year) 
> 2007............899 (George W Year) 
> 
> Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,000 deaths 
> George W years (2001-2006): 7,932 deaths 
> 
> If you are surprised when you look at these figures, so was I. These 
> figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the Middle 
> East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Bill Clinton's 
> presidency; when America wasn't even involved in a war! 
> 
> It surprised me too, so I went on line to find out what military actions 
> we were in during Clinton ¢s presidency. Here is a web site I found 
> that lists out those conflicts. (not war) 
> _ 
> ___http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_actions_by_or_within_the_Un 
> ited_States#1991-1999 
> 
> 
> And, I was even more shocked when I read that in 1980, during the reign of 
> President (Nobel Peace Prize winner) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 
> US military fatalities! I think that these figures indicate that many 
> members of our Media and our Politicians will pick and choose the 
> information on which they report. Of course we all know that they 
> present only those 'facts' which support their agenda-driven reporting. 
> But why do so many of them march in lock-step to 
> twist the truth? Where do so man y of them get their marching-orders for 
> their agenda? Obviously there is one shared agenda, and I believe it is 
> clear it comes from the most powerful Democratic family of the decade. 
> 
> Do you want further proof? Consider the latest census, of Americans. It 
> shows the following FACTS about the distribution of American citizens, by 
> Race: 
> European descent ..........................69.12% 
> Hispanic ......................................... 12.5% 
> Black ..............................................12.3% 
> Asian ............................................... 3.7% 
> Native American ..............................1.0% 
> Other ..............................................2.6% 
> 
> Now... here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years in 
> Iraqi Freedom: 
> European descent (white) .............74.31% 
> Hispanic ..................................... 10.74% 
> Black ... ....................................... 9.67% 
> Asian ........................................... 1.81% 
> Native American ........................... 1.09% 
> Other ............................................ 0.33% 
> 
> I was surprised again. . .until it became clear to me that the point 
> here is 
> that our mainstream media continues to spin these figures (for political 
> gain). Nothing more. 
> 
> It's all about politics and some politicians, are now famous for turning 
> American against American for a vote. (Consider Slick Willy and his 
> comments 
> just recently made about South Carolina , Jesse Jackson, and the 'blacks' 
> voting for the 'black' candidates); or Hillary's stump speech after her 
> Super 
> Tuesday 'victory' stating that the current administration does not 'listen' 
> to anyone and continues the war costing precious American lives. Yes, I 
> might even agree with her, but she should be made to acknowledge her own 
> husband's administration, without having an actual war, sent more 
> soldiers to 
> death during his regime-while also forcing the military to release Osama 
> when 
> we actually had him detained. 
> 
> I hope that during the time between now and November, that intelligent 
> Americans can decipher the facts from the spin and the spinners from the 
> leaders; those who seek even more power from those that seek justice, the 
> dividers from the uniters. 
> 
> Over the next months let's be good listeners (yes, Hillary we are 
> listening) 
> and see and hear who tries to divide our nation; and who wants to unite our 
> nation. Who wants to control how our money is spent and who wants our money 
> spent the way we would spend it. Who seeks power and who seeks justice? 
> Who spins the facts and who is genuine. 
> 
> (These statistics are published by Congressional Research Service, and they 
> may be confirmed by anyone at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/ 
> RL32492.pdf) 
> 
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